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Re: Choices! Choices! Election 2008

leforstribe — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:02:32 -0000

Hello. Yes, it is a pro-life website. I don't recall mentioning that AFA.net is a "neutral website". My intended target was the Christian community and I can reasonably assume that there are a few, if any, Christians who would oppose what AFA stands for. And if we don't oppose their actions, then certainly we would hear them out in what they had to say on moral and social issues and where the candidates stand.

I do understand your point, and thanks for sharing!!

Re: Choices! Choices! Election 2008

kitty monahan-sewell — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:32:55 -0000

That website you posted -- www.afa.net. is not a neutral website - its a pro-life website and naturally they will post things to justify why this person/that person should/should not be elected. Im not comfortable with giving credit to that website. Not at all. and you said :it will share the canditates background and where they got that information: again from a pro-life website... to provide more credibility to arguments such as these - i wouldnt use websites like these... thanks :)

Re: Choices! Choices! Election 2008

Anonymous — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:29:07 -0000

There are not just two men running for the presidential seat, y'know? Despite its claims, America is NOT a two-party state.

Re: Choices! Choices! Election 2008

Grace — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:16:02 -0000

Well spoken, Eric! Thanks for the info, Russell as I found the aformentioned website interesting :) Mike, I would rather to give a vote to the leading candidate to ensure that God's laws will continue to be effective for the country where I live in. (mainly for anti abortions and nay to gay marriages). I will indeed vote SMART! Lefors, bless your website for we DO need more Deaf Christians network support system. PTL :)

Re: Choices! Choices! Election 2008

Mike Reduas — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:28:21 -0000

Ron Paul is still a candidate and Christian. He was a doctor that delivered 3,000 babies. He is very against abortion. Lots of his issues are very good and media suppresses his message and campaign because they don't like that kind of person he is.

Unfortunately he is not that popular like Obama or McCain. But he is still campaigning and I intend to write-in vote for him because of my Christian convictions.

Re: Choices! Choices! Election 2008

Susan — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:38:22 -0000

Hi Eric,
I didn't have the time to watch your video (I thought it was removed), will do soon... just wanted to say that I read your transcript and I enjoyed reading what you shared.
Thought you might be interested in this info in this thread in eliyah.com, it's
http://www.eliyah.com/Forum/ub...
Check out Missy's responses, I thought they were quite informative.
YHWH bless you and keep you and your family :)
Susan (samechaleph)

Re: Choices! Choices! Election 2008

Ken — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:54:41 -0000

Excellent points you have brought regarding the election. It is no easy feat when facts are not clearly displayed due to the media's biased influences. Many Christians are disillusioned with this election that they would not vote for President this year including me. It would be great if Huckabee made it all the way to the end to be endorsed as a candidate. I would feel good about voting for him since he used to be a pastor! Nevertheless, let's pray for a good outcome from this election one way or another!

Re: Choices! Choices! Election 2008

leforstribe — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:17:34 -0000

Thank you Russell for sharing. I will look into it. Appreciate it!

Re: Choices! Choices! Election 2008

Russell Earl Kelly, PHD — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:38:06 -0000

Friend, May I offer an alternative interpretation of Malachi for your study.

From: Tithing is not a Christian Doctrine
www.shouldthechurchteachtithin...
Russell Earl Kelly, PHD

Malachi 3 is the Most Abused Tithing Text in the Bible. The “whole” tithe never was supposed to go to the Temple!

A. Malachi is Old Covenant and is never quoted in the New Covenant to validate tithing (Lev. 27:34; Neh. 10:28-29; Mal. 3:7; 4:4).

B. In Malachi 3:10-11 tithes are still only food 1000 years after Leviticus 27:30-34 and Numbers 18:21-28.

C. Malachi’s audience had willingly reaffirmed the Old Covenant (Neh.10:28-29). The blessings and curses of tithing are identical to and inseparable from those of the entire Mosaic Law. The rain in Deuteronomy 28:12, 23-24 and Leviticus 26:1-4 is only obtained by obedience to all 613 commandments. Galatians 3:10 (quoting Deu 27:26) “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continues not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.” Trying to earn God’s blessings through tithing only brings curses for failure to keep all of the law. See also Galatians 3:19.

D. Beginning in 1:6 “you” in Malachi always refers to the dishonest priests and not the people (also 2:1-10; 2:13 to 3:1-5): “Even this whole nation of you --priests” (3:9). In 1:13-14 the priests had stolen tithed animals vowed to God. In Nehemiah 13:5-10 priests had stolen the Levites’ portion of the tithe. God’s curses on the priests are ignored by most tithe-teachers (1:14; 2:2 and 3:2-4).

E. Point #12 of the essay. The Levitical cities must be included in a correct interpretation of Malachi 3:10. Most tithe-recipients lived outside of Jerusalem.

F. The 24 courses of Levites and priests must be included in a correct interpretation of Malachi 3. Normally only 2% of the total Levite and priest work force served at the temple one week at a time. Subtract wives, males under the age of 30 and daughters. Therefore 2% did not require all of the tithe. See 1 Chron 23-26; 28:13, 21; 2 Chron. 8:14; 23:8; 31:2, 15-19; 35:4, 5, 10; Ezra 6:18; Neh. 11:19, 30; 12:24; 13:9, 10; Luke 1:5.

G. Nehemiah 10:37-39 is the key to understanding Malachi 3:10, The people were commanded to bring their tithes, not to the temple, but to the nearby Levitical cities. Verse 38 says that the priests were with the Levites in the Levitical cities when they received the tithes.

H. According to Nehemiah 13:5, 9 the “storehouse” in the Temple was only several rooms. The real “storehouses” were in the Levitical cites per Nehemiah 10:37b-38. Only the Levites and priests normally brought tithes to the Temple (10:38). Two rooms in the Temple were far too small to contain the tithe from the entire nation and 98% of the Levites and priests lived too far away to eat from them.

Therefore, Malachi 3:10’s “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse” only makes contextual sense if it is only commanding dishonest priests to replace the tithes they had removed from it or had failed to bring to it.

While the 3:10 of the Law in Malachi is so important to tithe-teachers they ignore the 3:10 of the Gospel in Galatians and 2nd Corinthians. Perhaps those wanting to enforce the 3:10 Law of Malachi should also enforce the 3:10 Law of Numbers. They share the same context.

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